This week I interview Fuz Rana concerning the belief surrounding
transhumanism and his book Humans2.0 This was a very in-depth
interview, and one I enjoyed conducting please let me know your
thoughts, and share if you found it informative.
Tired of asking why? Welcome to the unresolved life podcast where we are answering life’s most difficult questions. Now, here’s your host, Teresa Blaes.
Teresa Blaes 0:15
Welcome to the Unresolved Life Podcast. I’m Teresa Blaes. And today, I’ve got Mr. fuzz Rama back with us. And he’s got a subject matter that I have talked about briefly, I’ve actually done a podcast on it briefly, especially after the true legends conference of last year. But this subject is very well known. in some circles, you might say it’s an alternative to the gospel. But before we get into that, I want to do a little bit of housekeeping. For those of you that have been following under old news, I’ve got some articles that I have written and they are going up. You’re interested in following my other podcasts that recently, so if you’re interested in launching your own online ministry, or faith-based business, you can check that out, I’ve got, well, I just spent this morning as of this recording, recording 60 through 62. So we’re doing a lot of really good stuff over there. So with that, let’s get on with the show showing first, welcome to the show.
Fuz Rana 1:28
Well, Teresa, thanks for having me back. Again. We’ve done this in the past. And I’ve always enjoyed the time that we get to hangout together. So thanks for having me.
Teresa Blaes 1:37
Well, it’s It was a pleasure. It was funny, I saw you post your stuff on Facebook, and you were commenting, and some and I saw something about your new book. And, you know, just so people know who you are, can you kind of give them a very short intro for those that may not have heard the previous episodes of who you are and what you’re doing.
Unknown Speaker 1:54
Sure. Yeah, currently, I serve as the Vice President of Research and Apologetics at an organization called Reasons to Believe in our organization is an organization that looks at the scientific case for the Christian faith. And we argue that the latest discoveries in science provide evidence for God’s existence, and specifically the God of the Bible and that these discoveries also affirm the creation accounts that we see throughout the words of Scripture. And so our organization dabbles in apologetics but our real interest is in evangelism, showing people how we can use science as a way to build a bridge to the gospel. And I’ve been with reasons to believe 20 years I’m a biochemist by training before joining reasons to believe I spent about a decade working in research and development in the industry working for a Fortune 500 company. And so, to me, I’m, I’m passionate about showing people again, the connection between discoveries in science and the Christian faith because it was the elegant design of biochemical systems that convinced me when I was a graduate student studying biochemistry that there had to be a creator. And that opened me up to truly hearing and being able to respond to the gospel. I’m passionate about trying to help people on a similar type of journey to faith.
Teresa Blaes 3:25
The subject that we are talking about today is transhumanism. Now, I know that’s a big 50 cent word. So plus, if I were to ask you, What in the world is transhumanism? How would you describe it?
Fuz Rana 3:40
Well, you know, I think people that are listening to the show that may not be familiar with transhumanism are probably familiar with a lot of the ideas that in that are connected to transhumanism simply because people are so interested in science fiction. And the idea behind transhumanism is that as human beings, we have an obligation and, and that’s actually a word I want to give emphasis to is an obligation to use science and technology to enhance human beings beyond our biological limits to make us smarter and stronger and more psychologically well adjusted than we naturally are as human beings. And the hope is that by doing this, we can eliminate or alleviate pain and suffering in our world, we can promote human flourishing, drive human progress, maybe towards some kind of utopian like future. And many transhumanists recognize that one of the chief enemies that humanity faces is death. And so they look at science and technology as a way to extend our life expectancy may even attain some form of immortality. And in fact, many transhumanism argues that we really need to take control of our own evolution as human beings and evolve ourselves into human species that are better adapted, better suited for the technological world that we live in. So it’s a kind of an idea that has a scientific and philosophical component to it, but also a very strong religious undercurrent, where people see science and technology is ultimately the means to attain salvation for human beings.
Teresa Blaes 5:23
Which is interesting because you’re then talking about salvation without God.
Fuz Rana 5:28
That’s exactly right. And, you know, many people that are espousing transhumanism actually hold to a materialistic or an atheistic worldview. And think about this, if you’re an atheist, there’s really no meaning to life. There’s no purpose, there’s no hope or destiny whatsoever. It’s really a very bleak outlook on, you know, on what the future holds for individuals, but also for the human species. But with transhumanism, you now actually have the means by which people that are at theists that are materialist can have some kind of hope, some kind of sense of destiny, where it serves as almost like an atheistic eschatology, where suddenly an atheistic worldview is no longer bleak, but actually is hopeful, where again, the hope is being placed on what we can accomplish as human beings, through scientific discovery and through, you know, technological advance.
Teresa Blaes 6:25
It almost strikes me I’m actually thinking of that verse. It says, If anyone comes preaching to you another gospel, let him be a curse. It almost strikes me as this is it? Bernard did Gospel to the biblical worldview.
Fuz Rana 6:41
Yeah, it exactly is that. And again, the religious nature of transhumanism should not be overlooked by any means. But we live in a world today that is increasingly becoming secular. You know, science and technology, do have a track record of sex, sex success, science, and technology has really improved the quality of our lives, at least, you know, first approximation, has driven human progress. We, we all marvel at the amazing advances that are happening in biomedicine. And so it’s very easy for a secular world to place their hope and their trust in what we can accomplish through science and technology. It’s a very alluring, alternative gospel that fits for the world that we live in today. Again, that’s so dominated and influenced by science and technology.
Teresa Blaes 7:35
I know some names of people that espouse this worldview because I’ve actually studied a little bit of this. I’m not, by no means an expert. But can you actually name some names of people who actually
Unknown Speaker 7:50
found this? There are some remarkably prominent people that actually espouse some version of transhumanism Elon Musk is an example of one person who just has got a venture started called neuro link, where he’s looking at again, developing computer-brain interfaces. Michio Kaku, the famous physicist is another person that advocates this, you have people like Aubrey de Grey, who is a well-known biogerontologist who thinks that we can actually not only arrest the aging process through science and technology but actually reverse it so that people can live to be hundreds and hundreds of years. Michael fossil is another biogerontologist who’s also arguing along with that same kind of lines. So it’s a very long list of people that are very prominent in as in science and technology that are, we would view as being pioneers that have to espouse some version of some form of transhumanism.
Teresa Blaes 8:53
I would also add to that list Ray Kurzweil and also, who is it one of the guys that’s heavily involved in Google is also a devout trans humanist?
Fuz Rana 9:05
That’s right. That’s right. And another name is a guy named Nick Bostrom, who’s also a very prominent figure in the transhumanist movement, movement. And Kevin Warwick, who’s an engineer in the UK, Max more is another person that advocates transhumanism. So there’s a lot of very prominent people, these guys are not these men and women are not, you know, quacks are not kind of oddballs. They are really mainstream thinkers, who are pioneering and espousing this transhumanism vision. And you know, it’s gone from being kind of the fodder for science fiction, to really becoming respectable in the academy. This is something that was rather shocking to me as I began to write this book. And it was actually one of the motivations for writing the book is that advances in gene-editing technology and computer-brain interfaces and anti aging technology, suddenly are making this transhumanism vision, really a prominent reality. So much so that it’s it’s mainstream in the academy, and it’s rapidly filtering down to the person on the street. This is these are these are not ideas that are in the domain of science fiction anymore. And the advances are happening so fast, in the scientific arena, that it’s impossible for any one person to actually keep on top of these advances. I, you know, did read the research for the book and wrote the book. And, you know, I struggle to keep on top of what’s going on and transhumanism, and people will bring up studies to me, and and it’s the first time I’ve heard, I mean, I’m just as surprised as the next person. You know, I hear about, you know, new advances in this area. So this is rapidly becoming a reality before our very eyes.
Teresa Blaes 10:59
The other aspect, this is that this movement is also infiltrating the church, have you heard of the Christian Transhumanism Sciety?
Fuz Rana 11:08
Yes, I have. And that’s we didn’t really dabble much in the book about Christian transhumanism. That may be one of the shortcomings to the book. But when you write a book, sometimes you got to decide what goes in and what goes out. But you know, this is a one model for how Christians are looking to engage transhumanism and that is to completely appropriate the idea where they actually see transhumanism as the way that God is going to accomplish ushering in the kingdom of God and granting us eternal life. I have a hard time with that view. You know, I do think that the idea that we can be co Redeemer is with with Christ, as we work within the kingdom of God to bring about an end to pain and suffering in our world and to promote justice is a legitimate biblical concept. But this has taken this co Redeemer idea, probably a heretical extreme, where, you know, they’re arguing that really, what we create with science and technology is going to be how God’s going to achieve, you know, kind of the eschatology and, and I have a real problem with that I don’t see that squaring up very well with the biblical texts. But it is one idea that, to me, is a little bit fringe, but it’s again, something that I think probably more and more Christians in the church are going to resonate with. As transhumanism becomes more and more prominent within our culture,
Teresa Blaes 12:38
the idea of transhumanism is to become more than human. And the gospel itself is made for humans. If you are human, then you can be saved. For example, God can give salvation angels. If you are not counted as fully human, then live reading a scripture. Um, you don’t qualify for salvation.
Fuz Rana 13:04
The first thing that comes to my mind when you bring up that point is something that some philosophers who are critical of transhumanism point out as the salvation paradox. In other words, what transhumanism are trying to do is attain salvation for individual humans, as well as humanity as a species. But if we alter ourselves, with technology to such a degree that we no longer are, quote, unquote, human beings, but we are a post human entity. What we haven’t what we’ve done now is not saved ourselves, we’ve actually caused our own extinction. Because what we’re saving isn’t us. But it’s, it’s something that that we have actually created with our own hand. And so this is one reason why I think transhumanism is really a counterfeit gospel is because because of the salvation paradox, and so that, that that’s kind of a philosophical critique of transhumanism, that’s, you know, kind of running parallel to your biblical critique of transhumanism as a gospel.
Teresa Blaes 14:11
All that and if you actually really sit down and think about it, what would the enemy love more to hurt the heart of our father? I said, Well, you know, you love all these humans, but I’m going to see if I can make them more than human therefore disqualified for salvation. So, here’s the question. If we know that transhumanism is a counterfeit gospel, and we know what the Word says about that, which, for those that may not know, what does the Bible say about any kind of a counterfeit gospel?
Fuz Rana 14:44
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, we want to be vigilant about, again, you know, falling prey to false gospels, I think that is really part of the message that we see, particularly in in the epistles that we want to be, you know, very What about people that are learning us away from, you know, the genuine gospel. And, you know, I think, as Christians, what we need to recognize is that every human being has these deep seated needs, that the true gospel in Jesus Christ uniquely provides for, and that is, we all recognize that the world we live in is not the way it should be that we realize that pain and suffering is wrong, that there’s injustice in the world that we live in, that we want to see human beings flourish. We, we want to see, you know, again, pain and suffering, done away with, we want a utopian future. You know, we recognize that death is the enemy and we want to try to escape death in some way, we see it as unnatural. And we all ultimately have a deep need for hope and purpose and destiny. And, and so this is what transhumanism is, is bartering it is that it offers that promise to people, as you pointed out, without God, it offers us that salvation without God. And so I think what we need to recognize as Christians is that need is so deep and transhumanism is so appealing, that people are going to be sucked into it. And I think even people in the church are going to be potentially sucked into that, that that vision because of the power of science and technology, and how much respect people have for science and technology. But but in the book, we talk about work done by historians of philosophy of technology, I’m sorry, and philosophers of technology and almost to a person, they recognize that there really is an uneasy relationship that we have with technology as human beings. Technology defines who we are as a human species in many respects. And technology has done wonderful things for humanity to be certain. But everybody points out that there is a kind of a double edged sword, when it comes to technology that, yeah, it may alleviate pain and suffering and in one area, but it causes new types of pain and suffering in other areas because of unanticipated and unintended consequences. Technology liberates us from the you know, being in
from, you know, having to do a lot of manual labor. But at the same time, we then can very quickly become enslaved by that very technology, where we can’t live without it. technology does wonderful things to solve problems, but it creates new problems. And what do we do we develop technologies to try to solve those new problems, which then lead to other problems. So it’s a vicious circle, that we find ourselves in self in with technology. But then when you factor in, you know, the sinful nature of human beings and our capacity to do evil, even with things that are intended for good, I, you know, it really becomes isn’t that, really, transhumanism is a false gospel, if it’s based on science and technology, because it’s only going to disappoint, it’s not going to lead to a utopian future, in my view, but a dystopian future, you know, and the more powerful the technology, the more frightening the unintended consequences can be are, the more frightening the abuse of the technology can be. So I think trans transhumanist are incredibly naive. And all they have to do is look at, again, the work that people have done in the history of technology and the philosophy of technology to see that this really is a false gospel, it’s going to ultimately disappoint, it’s not going to, to really lead to true salvation. And the problem is, once the toothpaste is out of the tube, you can’t go back, you can’t put it back in. And that’s really, I think, what’s frightening about the transhumanist gospel, but as Christians, if we’re able to articulate those ideas, well, what it points out is that, yes, you do have an indeed a need for what the gospel offers, but the only way you’re going to find satisfaction for that need is really in the person of Christ. So if we, if we really are paying attention as Christians, this is an incredible opportunity, I think, to share the gospel, you know, at my work with reasons to believe, I see so many people you science is in technology is an excuse to reject Christianity, or they use it as a barrier to insulate themselves from the Gospel. But what transhumanism is doing is using science and technology to lay bare the need that every human being has. And once that need is really publicly exposed, I think that’s where the gospel is going to have real power. So we need to be prepared to engage our culture with the gospel, more so now than ever before. And I think it’s a golden opportunity for us to penetrate our culture with the gospel. So to me, I see transhumanism as a bridge to the to the Christian faith not really, ultimately as a threat.
Teresa Blaes 20:11
I mean, and keep in mind, we’re not saying that we’re anti-tech, I am I mean, were you using technology right now, to conduct this interview? Okay. But, and there are so many rabbit trails, and I could take this down because there are so many aspects. I mean, when you talk about the abuse of technology, there are sites that I follow that are devoted to monitoring the tech democracy, which is another participant word, which is control of the masses via technology. I monitor this stuff because I see where this is going. And I also see where this transhumanism gospel could also play into the rise of the Antichrist. You know, I mean, there are some people that actually believe that the Antichrist might actually be someone that is, in the word augmented or transhumanism, for lack of a better word.
Unknown Speaker 21:09
Yeah, and, and, you know, I don’t really explore that idea in the book, humans 2.0. Again, when you write a book, sometimes there were things that just can’t go into the book. But I think that that is actually, again, an interesting point that I’m highly sympathetic to that, you know, who knows what the future is going to look like? And, you know, to me that the thing that is is frightening, is, again, the potential abuse of this technology. And, you know, there’s a section in the book where we talk about kind of all the ethical issues that that arise through these emerging technologies. And there are some pretty significant ethical issues just in terms of their biomedical application.
Teresa Blaes 21:53
Let me ask you this, what kind of emerging technologies do we really need to be concerned with?
Fuz Rana 21:58
Well, for example, it would be CRISPR, gene editing, computer-brain interfaces, I think the anti-aging technologies are the ones that, to me, are the most, most likely ones to actually really influence biomedicine and really be deployed for human enhancements, such as my, my assessment as a biochemist. And the thing is, it’s a complex, because all of these technologies can be used for an enormous amount of good. And in fact, as an as a Christian, who is a scientist, I strongly in support of exploring what these technologies can do and developing these technologies, again, for biomedical applications. But the problem is that we’re now in an arena where there are these categories, in terms of our capabilities that have been that are unique to this time that have never existed before. And secular bioethics simply cannot effectively deliberate on whether or not these technologies are permissible, and if they are, how they should be used. In fact, we talked about the fact that utilitarianism and consequentialism simply are not good tools to figure out how to use these technologies. And this is where Christianity becomes so very important. Because the Christian worldview is based on it, is bait, or the ethics that flow out of the Christian worldview, I should say, is based on the concept of the image of God, every human being has an inherent worth and value. And that means that right away, we want to do anything we can reasonably to mitigate pain and suffering in the world. We want to try to promote human flourishing. We but we also recognize that because every human life has inherent worth and value, we always want to make sure that we are vigilant to make sure that what we do towards these very good ends, does not involve exploiting another human being. And some of these emerging technologies run the risk of exploiting human beings, or that we, we want to make sure that we’re paying attention to the marginalized, that everybody has access to these technologies and these advances, not just the select few that are in the socio-economically upper levels, the Christian worldview really has a very powerful ethic. And on top of that, you know, you mentioned the fact that we’re not anti-technology. Well, again, I would affirm that I’m not trying to, in any way, shape or form, say, I’m opposed to this kind of advances, I just want us to make sure that we’re using them in the right way. But I mean, the idea that we bear God’s image means that we also have a responsibility. And that is to, to, to have dominion over the planet to, to transform the chaos in the world into order that would be represented in the Garden of Eden, that we are to subdue the planet and bring it under our control. And this all involves scientific discovery and technology development. So the Christian worldview would simultaneously promote technology, promote scientific advance, look for ways to use that to mitigate suffering to promote flourishing, but at the same time, would also safeguard the exploitation of human beings. And so I think the Christian worldview has a lot to say about how this technology will be used. And so if we are able to show people, effectively the power of the Christian worldview to guide this, it suddenly takes the fear out of the future, I think, where we can appropriately use the technology to participate with Christ in ushering in the kingdom of God, by lovingly, you know, promoting human flourishing, lovingly mitigating pain and suffering, but also by protecting human beings. And this is where secular bioethics fails in a big way, is it offers zero protection to those people that are marginalized, those people that are vulnerable to exploitation, it offers zero protection,
Teresa Blaes 26:09
know their biggest thing, as far as I know, as far as some of the studies that I’ve done. And again, as I said, I am not a researcher, I am not an expert, I just follow some different things. But one of the biggest things that they say is, well, let’s just do it to see what would happen. I mean, and that, in my mind is exceptionally dangerous, reckless and stupid. In your book, did you study the aspects of how AI plays into this artificial intelligence,
Unknown Speaker 26:42
we didn’t go into a lot of detail, sorry, a lot of detail with AI technology, we do have two sections in the book that are special focus sections. One of them is on artificial wombs, and one of them is on artificial intelligence. And so we do offer some commentary about our artificial intelligence. And the reason why we kind of left AI, largely out of the book was, in a sense, in and of itself, it really merits its own detailed discussion. It’s such a huge area. And really, when I think about transhumanism, I’m really thinking about technology being used to modify human beings. Whereas with AI, it’s very much as part of a projected post-human future where people are arguing, if AI systems actually attain, quote, unquote, sentience, then they should be afforded the same rights that we have as human beings.
Teresa Blaes 27:37
Well, if you look at, what is that one, they call it, Sophia? Over in? Where’s it united Emirates? I think it is. And, and, but if you actually look at the meaning of the word, Sophia, it’s, it’s the Greek word for wisdom. It’s, let’s take our own wisdom will pour into this AI and call it human.
Fuz Rana 27:58
Yeah, well, you know, to me, you know, I don’t think that AI systems are ever going to attain, you know, quote, unquote, self-awareness or sentience. But what you are going to see are these very sophisticated computer systems that utilize essentially very sophisticated machine learning algorithms, and they are going to be very good at mimicking human beings. And you know, what we have as human beings is a tendency to anthropomorphize This is because as human beings, we have a unique quality called theory of mind, which means that we recognize that other human beings have minds like ours and that we know what other people are thinking, what other people are feeling. And, and so this is actually I think, part of what makes us unique as human beings. And is I think part of the image of God that’s in us is our, our tendency is our theory of mind capability. But the net effect is that we tend to personify inanimate objects, persona fi animals, and treat them as if they were human-like, and, and the danger now becomes when you have a machine, that it really begins to behave in a human-like manner, through our theory of mind, tend and our tendency to anthropomorphize, we are going to granted human status, when in fact, that doesn’t have that, that whatsoever. And, and so, you know, I, you know, don’t think we’re ever going to attain true sentience in machines. But again, you know, we were living in a world where it as the world becomes more and more secular, in this idea of personhood is what defines value, we’re going to suddenly start attributing personhood, I think, sadly, not only to machines, but I can easily envision experiments were done with animals, where their intellectual capabilities are augmented to the point that we’re going to be granting animals, you know, human rights as well. In fact, there is some emphasis like Peter Singer, who think, you know, whales and dolphins ought to be granted, you know, human rights, even before human infants are granted rights simply because of this idea of personhood, and sentience, which is a horrible, horrible concept. But but but this is the world that we’re looking at coming our way. And so I didn’t address artificial intelligence to any real degree in the book. But it is part of our post human future. And it does intertwine with transhumanism to some degree.
Teresa Blaes 30:31
Yeah, it does. And I would also add, and this is just maybe something to chew on. This is honestly guys, this is less of an interview that but and more of a discussion, because you’re talking in we’re just two people that are studied this, and, you know, fathers wrote this book, this Human, 2.0, which, by the way, will be linked in the show notes. And it is a must-read, okay. But I think you’re right, in the sense of, I don’t know that they’ll actually AI will actually attain sentience on its own, but I could easily see the demonic influence, like, creating a counterfeit, what looks like sentience,
Fuz Rana 31:10
you know, again, as Christians, we really need to be vigilant. But again, we also need to, to really be able to engage our culture, because we have to be able to persuade people in our culture, who are non believers, you know, the genuine dangers of, of AI technology, but also do it in a way that again, we help people see the credibility of the Christian worldview. And again, it goes back when it comes to AI, I think to the image of God concept, we need to be able to articulate very clearly what the image of God is, as Christians, why the image of God is so important in terms of establishing human dignity and value. But also we need to be able to defend the idea that human beings uniquely have this image of God quality. And, and that it’s it that it’s, again, a robust idea that really distinguishes human beings from everything else, that’s part of God’s creation. And so for not able to, you know, to articulate and defend that idea, I think what’s going to happen is the Christian worldview will be run roughshod over simply because of the lore and the appeal of the technology. So you know, these are, again, are, are sobering times that are in front of us. But I also am very hopeful because of, I think, the robustness of the Christian worldview, and we just have to be able to see those connection points with the gospel in our culture, and really, as Christians are able to defend and articulate Christianity.
Teresa Blaes 32:47
Let’s wrap this up by me posing this question, and maybe you kind of explaining the Christian world view in the sense of, I’m a transhumanist, I don’t see any issue with I’m just trying to better myself. I mean, you know, I believe very much in human potential, I believe in trying to better myself, and I don’t see the need for God, why can’t I just go along this path? What is the Christian worldview have to do with me,
Fuz Rana 33:16
as a Christian, I affirm everything that you desire for yourself, that what you desire for yourself is really good. But I would, again, remind that person, that while technology has done incredible things, for us, it also has created a lot of problems. For us, it is, you know, when you think about nuclear power as an example, you know, it’s it can be used for incredible good, but this destructive force connected to nuclear power is literally frightening, it can literally drive humanity to extinction. And so, you know, to me, I think there’s a real danger in, in just blindly appropriating technology, with the best of intentions, without really being reflective about, you know, what that technology could, you know, could do if it’s in the wrong hands, or used in the wrong way. And so, you know, you know, so that that would be, really, to me, my, the appeal was like, Just don’t be naive, in buying into that particular gospel. And anyway, I would also point out to that, you know, that, in a sense, Christianity is the, is the ultimate expression of transhumanism, because what we are promised in the new creation, is our message resurrected bodies, that you know, these bodies of decay, you know, these bodies of death are going to be replaced with a new type of body that is going to be in an eternally existing body, that you know, that there’s going to be some continuity with who we are in this creation in the new creation, we’re not going to lose our identity, we’re not going to lose our sense of self, we’re going to be who we are. But we are going to be had, you know, bodies that are unimaginable. This is the promise that Paul offers to us in, in First Corinthians 15, that we’re going to have these resurrected bodies, these and so Christianity really, in many respects, is transhumanism, but it’s the truth or the genuine transhumanism, and that transhumanism is ultimately found in the person of Christ. And our hope is in the utopia that awaits us. When the kingdom of God it becomes info. And in the new heaven and the new earth.
Teresa Blaes 35:43
For those that might be looking at this going, Hey, this looks like a pretty good deal. Yeah, it might look like a good deal until you see the razor blade inside. Look at Genesis three, Did God really see, you know, it’s a, it’s a false gospel. And the Bible is exceptional, clear. If you believe a false gospel, then you are not a child of God. So Wow. And I know, we could probably talk about this all day, there are so many aspects to this that we probably could delve into. And maybe what I have to do is bring you back at some point and just, you know, some of the updates are, what are we seeing and what’s going on? And that kind of thing?
Fuz Rana 36:25
Yeah, I would love to come back and talk about this. You know, one of the things that I find gratifying, but also a little concerning, is that a number of people who have read through my book, afterward said to me, I didn’t realize how serious of a concern transhuman and transhumanism actually is for the Christian faith, that I really think that this was something I should be even aware of, let alone concerned about. And so after reading the book, they found it to be rather sobering. And they suddenly saw the need for the book. So that that that is gratifying to me as an author. But it’s also very concerning that I think a lot of people in the church are just simply either unaware of transhumanism, or they just simply are dismissing it as not being a concern. And, you know, and really, my hat is off to you, Teresa, you know, for your awareness of this issue, and in for your willingness to, to try to help the church recognize the importance of engaging this issue. So you know, thank you, thanks to thanking you for doing that for the body of Christ.
Teresa Blaes 37:33
Well, it’s desperately needed. I mean, the Bible is exceptionally clear as possible, even the elect will be deceived in my heart. And this is, this is an unresolved issue, this is an issue that is going to, you’re going to have to make a choice. Are you going to succumb to a false gospel? try and improve yourself and try and handle things without God? Or are you going to walk hand in hand with God and let him do the improving? You know, that’s, that’s what I this really comes down to who’s God you are God. So that’s my heart in this. And so with that was thank you so much for coming on the show.
Fuz Rana 38:16
Teresa, thank you for having me again. It’s always a delight to talk with you.
Teresa Blaes 38:23
Well, it’s it’s a pleasure. It’s a huge pleasure to have you on board. And we will be bringing him back does not go away easily. It continues to happen. It continues to come about and my heart in this is guys, I want to make you aware. For those of you that are wrestling with unresolved issues, I want to bring this as an issue that you have to confront, because eventually there’s going to need to be a choice pain. So with that, I’m Theresa Blaes. This has been the unresolved life podcast. We will speak again next time.
Unknown Speaker 39:02
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